tag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:/discussions/problems/40038-when-sending-encrypted-mails-cant-read-the-mail-on-blackberry-10-devicesGPGTools: Discussion 2018-10-18T19:56:26Ztag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-05-11T23:17:36Z2017-02-19T17:24:31Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>I was having same problem last week i tried everything but
nothing worked so i uninstalled the program and am waiting for an
answer before i try again. I sat there for three days trying to
work it out. please keep me in the loop if you find any
solutions.</p></div>johntag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-05-12T05:53:52Z2017-02-19T17:24:31Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>why you uninstalled the program on your mac?</p></div>zorantag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-05-12T11:01:25Z2017-02-19T17:24:31Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>because i was so frustrated with it. no point taking up space
when one of the main features doesn't work properly. i looked
everywhere for someone with the same problem but nothing until now.
would like to see a response before i reinstall otherwise it's
useless to me.</p></div>johntag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-07-24T14:55:08Z2017-02-19T17:24:30Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Hi Zoran,</p>
<p>sorry for not responding earlier.</p>
<p>We are not too familiar with Blackberry OS, since we do not have
a test device in our team. Thanks for linking the crackberry
thread. So it seems, Blackberry started supported OpenPGP around
version 10.3.2.500?</p>
<p>So what is the status with that? From what I read, mails from
mail.app to blackberry OS are not decrypted? Is that still the case
with new versions? Also did you try out the commercial PGpgp
blackberry app? Does that behave differently or identical to the
new OS capabilities?</p>
<p>All this sounds like Blackberry is unable to deal with PGP/MIME
messages.</p>
<p>GPGMail defaults to the only standard there is for sending
OpenPGP Mails, which is PGP/MIME. The format you are referring to,
is called PGP/Inline and is an undocumented non-standard format,
which leads to several problems, which is why we default to
PGP/MIME.</p>
<p>Nevertheless you can switch GPGMail to use OpenPGP/Inline. While
this is not encouraged, we've added that option. Find out how to do
that in this <a href="http://support.gpgtools.org/kb/faq-gpgmail/gpgmail-2-hidden-settings#enable-pgp-inline-for-support-of-legacy-mail-clients-important-for-windows-compatability-">
KB-article</a>.</p>
<p>There's no difference in security level, yet you have to be
aware, that while PGP/MIME also encrypts all attachments,
OpenPGP/Inline does not!</p>
<p>Also, you're limited to text only. Any formatting will be
ignored.</p>
<p>If you want to read more about the deficites of Inline/PGP you
may want to read this note of Daniel Kahn Gillmore called <a href="https://dkg.fifthhorseman.net/notes/inline-pgp-harmful/">Inline
PGP signatures considered harmful</a>. This is the <a href="https://www.gnupg.org/faq/gnupg-faq.html#use_pgpmime">GnuPG FAQ
entry</a> covering this question.</p>
<p>I'm curious where Blackberry takes this. Seeing default OpenPGP
support in their OS is in itself a huge step and great to see. Now
if they could add PGP/MIME support that would be just
wonderful.</p>
<p>@john: OpenPGP works cross platform. Since GPGTools works on OS
X only, we cannot ensure interoperability with let's say Blackberry
OS. What key feature to you mean, is not working for you?</p>
<p>All the best,<br>
steve</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-11T10:56:29Z2017-02-19T17:24:30Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Hi Zoran</p>
<p>I have the same problem that Blackberry10 can not decrypt mail
from OS X. And I don't understand how to solve it.</p></div>jartag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-14T16:12:54Z2017-02-19T17:24:30Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>jar, as I wrote, I currently assume, Blackberry OS does not
support PGP/MIME.</p>
<p>I suggest getting in touch with their support and request
support for PGP/MIME. You could also try changing GPGMail to
PGP/Inline as described in the KB-article in Comment 4 and see if
that enables your Blackberry to decrypt messages sent from
GPGMail.</p>
<p>Regards,<br>
steve</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-14T16:16:30Z2017-02-19T17:24:30Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Hi,<br>
I have tried to change inline but same result.<br>
Will contact the BlackBerry support, to check what they are
saying.</p>
<p>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.<br>
Original Message</p></div>Zoran Miljaktag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-14T16:45:51Z2017-02-19T17:24:30Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Keep us posted. Since we do not have Blackberry devices to test
this with, it is important feedback.</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-14T16:46:53Z2017-02-19T17:24:30Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Will do, no problem.</p>
<p>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.<br>
Original Message</p></div>Zoran Miljaktag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-29T21:28:04Z2017-02-19T17:24:30Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>I actually think BB10 does support PGP/Mime. I am on the latest
leaked BB10 version and basically as reported on crackberry, when
sending out emails, we are able to decrypt it on third party
clients (Enigmail). However when sending encrypted emails to the
BB10, we are unable to decrypt. The difference I see with the
emails sent from the BB device and the third party clients is the
"attachment names". When the BB device sends out an email I see two
attachments:</p>
<p>application1.pgp-encrypted (0 bytes)<br>
application2.octet-stream (the PGP encrypted message)</p>
<p>When I use a third party PGP/mime implementation (Enigmail) I
see the following:</p>
<p>application1.pgp-encrypted<br>
encrypted.asc</p>
<p>Hopefully this helps people understand what a BB10 device is
expecting as a PGP email.</p></div>Andrew Leetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-30T08:48:34Z2017-02-19T17:24:29Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Thank you very much for your post.</p>
<p>I will try again to contact BlackBerry. Maybe they will solve it
with the next software update.</p>
<p>Keep you posted here.</p>
<p>Sent from my Porsche Design P´9983 smartphone from
BlackBerry.<br>
Original Message</p></div>Zoran Miljaktag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-30T13:31:58Z2017-02-19T17:24:29Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Actually I did alot more testing yesterday and was able to get
blackberry to decrypt using the third party PGP/mime implmentation,
but only when I used the same PGP message as the email sent out
with the BB device.</p>
<p>So I investigated the PGP message encryption and basically
determined that while the BB could encrypt the message where the
decryption is possible using the gpg tool on my linux machine, when
encrypting the same exact message back using gpg and plugging in
the PGP encrypted message into an email, blackberry was unable to
decrypt.</p>
<p>I think blackberry is doing something different when encrypting
it. I dont know now until we contact blackberry.</p></div>Andrew Leetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-30T15:07:40Z2017-02-19T17:24:29Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>I figured it out. I figured that it had something to do with
blackberry using commercial pgp to decrypt. I downloaded symantecs
pgp command line tool and encrypted an email and send it to my
blackberry. Was able to decrypt and read it.</p>
<p>So anything using the gnugpg to encrypt will not be readable by
the blackberry unless there are options we can use to make it
compatible with symantec's pgp implementation.</p></div>Andrew Leetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-30T15:17:24Z2017-02-19T17:24:29Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>When you sending PGP mail to mac from your BlackBerry. It can be
decrypt.</p>
<p>Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone.</p></div>chenjie jiangtag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-08-30T16:07:08Z2017-02-19T17:24:29Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Yup I can decrypt it but anything you encrypt with GNUgpg cannot
be decrypted by PGP. Just google on the internet and people talk
about issues with that same scenario.</p></div>Andrew Leetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-09-01T00:38:24Z2017-02-19T17:24:29Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>After alot of testing, I figured out that anything encrypted
with GNUpg will not be decrypted on the blackberry. But anything
encrypted with javascript implementations (hanewin and openpgp.js)
and commercial pgp will be decrypted by Blackberry.</p>
<p>No amount of tinkering wiht options in GNUpg will allow me to
encrypt a message that is decrypted by Blackberry.</p></div>Andrew Leetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-09-01T07:15:57Z2017-02-19T17:24:29Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><br>
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decryptable on Blackberry-10 Classic. The message is "can't decode
the message". It applies to both PGP/MIME and PGP/inline
formats.</p>
<p>The messages in question are decodable and decryptable on other
platforms.</p>
<p>PGP/MIME encrypted and signed by Blackberry is decryptable on
other platforms (an signature verifies correctly).</p>
<p>To mix another (unrelated) issue in - Apple Mail often says
"Invalid Signature" on correctly-signed PGP/MIME messages... Next
time it happens, I will (try to) bring the message here.</p></div>mouse008tag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-10-13T10:49:27Z2017-02-19T17:24:28Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p><strong>Situation Summary Blackberry OS and OpenPGP support
(Sept 2015)</strong></p>
<p>Can be decrypted on Blackberry OS</p>
<ul>
<li>OpenPGP.js encrypted messages</li>
<li>hanewin encrypted messages</li>
<li>Symantec encrypted messages</li>
</ul>
<p>Can not be decrypted on Blackberry OS</p>
<ul>
<li>Enigmail encrypted messages can not be decrypted on
blackberry</li>
<li>GPGMail encrypted messages can not be decrypted on blackberry
(neither PGP/MIME nor OpenPGP/Inline)</li>
</ul>
<p>I'll add that summary to the first post so users quickly
understand the current situation.</p>
<p>I am not sure why Blackberry OS behaves the way it does or what
is missing for it to be able to decrypt OpenPGP/Inline sent
messages from GPGMail or Enigmail. It may not support PGP/MIME
(which it should - all you Blackberry users should probably request
support for PGP/MIME at Blackberry support). But it should be able
to deal with OpenPGP/Inline messages.</p>
<p>If any new findings arise, please keep us updated.</p>
<p>@mouse008: If you run into any Invalid Signature issues, please
open a separate discussion and we'll look into specifics there.</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502015-10-13T10:50:54Z2017-02-19T17:24:28Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Thanks a lot for that.</p>
<p>At the moment nothing new. Still the same issue. But not from
your side, I think it's BlackBerry side</p>
<p>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.<br>
Original Message</p></div>Zoran Miljaktag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502016-02-10T13:19:07Z2017-02-19T17:24:28Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>Zoran, I'm closing this discussion. You can re-open any time if
there are news regarding Blackberry OS and OpenPGP support.</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502016-02-10T15:29:58Z2017-02-19T17:24:28Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>The answer from Blackberry support is: PGP-wise Blackberry
currently supports only Symantec format, which violates IETF
OpenPGP standard. Blackberry won't change (as they use Symantec PGP
library). Symantec differs from RFC-3156, by denoting
<code>Content-Type: multipart/mixed</code> instead of
<code>Content-Type: multipart/encrypted; boundary=foo;
protocol="application/pgp-encrypted"</code></p>
<p>Would it be possible to add a feature - produce
Symantec-compatible PGP encryption? Here's the difference in
details:</p>
<p><strong>RFC3156 Standard</strong></p>
<pre>
<code>Mime-Version: 1.0<br><br>
<br>Content-Type: multipart/encrypted; boundary=foo;
protocol="application/pgp-encrypted"<br><br>
<br>--foo<br><br>
<br>Content-Type: application/pgp-encrypted
Version: 1<br><br>
<br>--foo<br><br>
<br>Content-Type: application/octet-stream</code>
</pre>
<p><strong>Thunderbird/Enigmail/GnuPG</strong></p>
<pre>
<code>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/38.5.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/encrypted; protocol="application/pgp-encrypted";
boundary="gtEqiSdg26I7Vq5OfV2FuOXGM5BGmQMkf"
Return-Path: jmcafee@gst401.cso.labs.rim.net
X-ClientProxiedBy: GST401EX133.GST401.CSO.LABS.RIM.NET (10.91.34.94) To
GST401EX131.GST401.CSO.LABS.RIM.NET (10.91.34.90)<br><br>
<br>--gtEqiSdg26I7Vq5OfV2FuOXGM5BGmQMkf
Content-Type: application/pgp-encrypted; name="PGPMIME version identification"
Content-Description: PGPMIME version identification
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="PGPMIME version identification"<br><br>
<br>Version: 1<br><br>
<br>--gtEqiSdg26I7Vq5OfV2FuOXGM5BGmQMkf
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="encrypted.asc"
Content-Description: encrypted.asc
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="encrypted.asc"</code>
</pre>
<p><strong>Symantec Encryption Desktop</strong></p>
<pre>
<code>x-pgp-mapi-encoding-version: 2.5.0
x-pgp-encoding-version: 2.0.2
x-pgp-encoding-format: MIME
x-originating-ip: [10.91.52.248]
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="_003_3C86BF38ACFCE444854ED4EEFD2B268F2266DFC6GST401EX101GST4_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Return-Path: astaylor@gst401.cso.labs.rim.net<br><br>
<br>--_003_3C86BF38ACFCE444854ED4EEFD2B268F2266DFC6GST401EX101GST4_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br><br>
<br>--_003_3C86BF38ACFCE444854ED4EEFD2B268F2266DFC6GST401EX101GST4_
Content-Type: application/pgp-encrypted; name="Version.txt"
Content-Description: Version.txt
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Version.txt"; size=12;
creation-date="Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:50:51 GMT";
modification-date="Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:50:51 GMT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64<br><br>
<br>VmVyc2lvbjogMQ0K<br><br>
<br>--_003_3C86BF38ACFCE444854ED4EEFD2B268F2266DFC6GST401EX101GST4_
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Message.pgp"
Content-Description: Message.pgp
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Message.pgp"; size=100884;
creation-date="Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:50:51 GMT";
modification-date="Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:50:51 GMT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64</code>
</pre></div>mouse008tag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502016-02-11T14:57:25Z2017-02-19T17:24:27Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>"PGP-wise Blackberry currently supports only Symantec format,
which violates IETF OpenPGP standard. Blackberry won't change (as
they use Symantec PGP library)."</p>
<p>Sounds like a bad design decision by management then. Using a
proprietary format which violates an IETF standard.</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502016-02-11T21:34:14Z2017-02-19T17:24:27Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><blockquote>
<p>Sounds like a bad design decision by management then. Using a
proprietary format which violates an IETF standard.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>You're absolutely correct, and the fault is certainly theirs.
But...</p>
<p>The question is whether we here can (and are willing to) remedy
this situation, allowing generation and parsing of that incorrect
format, say upon a given switch or parameter? To enable PGP
communications with that (stupidly) non-compliant Blackberry?</p></div>mouse008tag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502016-02-12T16:47:41Z2017-02-19T17:24:27Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div><p>I don't think it would be smart to step into that trap. What if
mails get encrypted in that format and then can no longer be
decrypted by normal OpenPGP clients. So maybe time to buy another
mobile? OpenPGP solutions exist on iOS and Android. WindowsPhone I
don't know, but considering their growth rate I'd highly suspect
the answer is "no" on that platform.</p>
<p>Or call Blackberry and talk to a higher rank general in that
company and explain why OpenPGP is needed. Sometimes you just need
to talk to the right person and explain why something is broken. I
would guess, that high rank management is not heavily using OpenPGP
on BlackberryOS. So they are simply not aware of this issue. They
are either using their Blackberry Messenger or have some secretary
do that for them.</p></div>Stevetag:gpgtools.tenderapp.com,2011-11-04:Comment/368063502017-02-03T21:34:40Z2017-02-19T17:24:27Zwhen sending encrypted mails, can't read the mail on Blackberry OS 10<div>
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