Update/outlook on Catalina support

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Arjen Hiemstra

05 Nov, 2019 09:42 AM

Hello,

any update/outlook on Catalina support?

I'm thinking of installing Mojave on a virtual machine - just for Mail/PGP.

But if you are about to release something in the coming days, I'd save me the work.

Regards, Arjen.

  1. 1 Posted by Pete on 05 Nov, 2019 10:45 AM

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    You will not get a satisfactory answer. See:

    https://gpgtools.tenderapp.com/discussions/problems/102452-catalina...
    https://gpgtools.tenderapp.com/discussions/problems/102310-unethica...

    The whole cummunity is slowly but surely angry now.
    So do not expect good communication from the GPGSuite Team, neither here nor on twitter (take a look).

  2. 2 Posted by Arjen Hiemstra on 05 Nov, 2019 11:06 AM

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    Are there alternatives that work on MacOS?

    Apart from setting up a VM with Mojave?

  3. 3 Posted by RA Michael Seid... on 05 Nov, 2019 01:39 PM

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    Alternatives:

    Mozilla Thunderbird

    https://www.thunderbird.net

    or

    Postbox

    https://www.postbox-inc.com

    with OpenPGP Add-on

    Enigmail

    https://addons.thunderbird.net/thunderbird/addon/enigmail/

    or

    Canary Mail

    https://canarymail.io

  4. 4 Posted by cliff1976 on 08 Nov, 2019 05:54 AM

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    I'm trying out Canary Mail on Catalina. Note that when I reported some crashing they responded with "well, Catalina just came out of beta, so we're still bughunting..."

    Sounds like everyone screwed the pooch w/r/t Catalina. 

    Except, perhaps, Thunderbird...haven't tried it on macOS in years.

  5. 5 Posted by Arjen Hiemstra on 08 Nov, 2019 09:30 AM

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    I'm not sure what the reason is. There have been beta versions of Catalina since summer 2019.

    At the moment I see 3 possible workarounds:

    1) Install VMWare or Parallels and a VM with Mojave - just for email.
    2) Use Thunderbird on MacOS with the Enigmail plugin
    3) Applescript folder action on the downloads folder to watch for *.asc files, decrypt them and open the result in Apple Mail.

    Obviously you cannot reply encrypted with #3.

    I started with #1, but it was too much stress for my laptop. So now I'm using #3 for reading and #2 for writing emails.

  6. 6 Posted by Sebastian on 08 Nov, 2019 06:20 PM

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    Eine weitere Möglichkeit ist die Nutzung des Mail-Programms eM Client. Gibt es mittlerweile auch für Mac OS.

  7. 7 Posted by Marc Tarpenning on 08 Nov, 2019 11:28 PM

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    How about a date? The permanent "next week" statement is both disingenuous and insulting to customers. I think a refund may be in order, as we are not able to use the product we purchased and Catalina was NOT a surprise. However, just releasing a working product would be much better.

  8. 8 Posted by gerry on 09 Nov, 2019 05:23 PM

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    I would recommend you to install Thunderbird.
    You just have to install Thunderbird from https://www.thunderbird.net, configure it to be able to access the pgp-encrypted e-mails and install 'Enigma Plugin' in Thunderbird. It's done in 2 min. Afterwards you'll have an alternative e-mail frontend for GPG-mail. I use it to read and write pgp-encrypted and -signed emails since I updated to catalina ;-)

  9. 9 Posted by Ryan on 09 Nov, 2019 08:22 PM

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    Well... I also paid for GPG Mail... I also would not mind to know if there's any progress. Or a way to get a refund.

  10. 10 Posted by Doris on 09 Nov, 2019 08:30 PM

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    Hi there,

    mind that enigmail will be discontinued in the near future ...

  11. 11 Posted by cliff1976 on 09 Nov, 2019 08:45 PM

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    Have you got a source on that rumor, Doris? I just went to enigmail.net and saw nothing obvious on that topic.

  12. 12 Posted by tk on 10 Nov, 2019 04:01 AM

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    Canary is great, particularly the latest version on iPhone is awesome. But on my laptop I'd still prefer to work with Mail App, because of umpteen filters, folder, rules and plugins.

    The developer at gpgtools leaves significant room for improvement in terms of reliability, responsibility and determination.

  13. 13 Posted by Doris Behrendt on 10 Nov, 2019 08:10 AM

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    Hi,
    Enigmail Mailing list ... later today I can forward to you some corresponding mails; gpg will be included >>directly<< into Firefox in the future and no plugin will be needed anymore ...

    D

    Sent from my iPhone

  14. 14 Posted by Vincent on 10 Nov, 2019 02:53 PM

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    Ok, even though I'm happy to wait for this update, purely the lack of communication has made me loose confidence in the product or the support. Pitty money-wise, but I'm switching to Thunderbird.

  15. 15 Posted by gerry on 10 Nov, 2019 03:26 PM

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    Hi there,
    So do I. I'm switching to Thunderbird while GPG-Tool plugin is not working after a MAC OSX update, which is not the first time ;-) and because Thunderbird is so easy to install - and will get even easier when PGP-support will get native - thanks to Doris about that hint!) But I will test Canary too...

  16. 16 Posted by cliff1976 on 10 Nov, 2019 04:44 PM

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    Good luck testing Canary Mail on macOS. Last I checked there is no free trial version. I had to pay for the full version right away. 

  17. 17 Posted by Doris Behrendt on 11 Nov, 2019 07:10 AM

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    Hi Cliff1976,

    I cite here from the Enigmail User Discussion Email List, Patrick Brunschwigs Mail from 08.10.2019:

    The Thunderbird developers have announced that they will implement
    OpenPGP support in Thunderbird 78 [1]. Support for Thunderbird in
    Enigmail will therefore be discontinued.

    I'd like to explain in the following paragraphs what this will mean for
    Enigmail, and why this is an inevitable step.

    The Future of Enigmail
    ----------------------
    I will continue to support and maintain Enigmail for Thunderbird 68
    until 6 months after Thunderbird 78 will have been released (i.e. a few
    months beyond Thunderbird 68 EOL). Enigmail will not run anymore on
    Thunderbird 72 beta and newer.

    Will this be the end of Enigmail?

    No! I will continue to maintain and support Enigmail for Postbox, which
    is running on a different release schedule than Thunderbird for the
    foreseeable future.

    Why Is This Happening?
    ----------------------
    The Mozilla developers have been and still are actively working on
    removing old code from their code base. This affects not only
    Thunderbird itself, but also add-ons. While it was possible for
    Thunderbird to keep old "legacy" add-ons alive for a certain time, the
    time has come for Thunderbird to stop supporting them [2]. Thunderbird
    78 will no longer to support the APIs that Enigmail requires and only
    allow new "WebExtensions".

    WebExtensions have a completely different API than classical add-ons,
    and a much reduced set of capabilities to hook into the user interface.
    For Enigmail to continue to work, it would therefore be required to
    rewrite it from scratch. However, that's beyond my available time
    limitations.

    The Thunderbird developers and I have therefore agreed that it's much
    better to implement OpenPGP support directly in Thunderbird. The set of
    functionalities will be different than what Enigmail offers, and at
    least initially likely be less feature-rich. But in my eyes, this is by
    far outweighed by the fact that OpenPGP will be part of Thunderbird and
    no add-on and no third-party tool will be required.

    -Patrick

    [1]
    https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2019/10/thunderbird-enigmail-and-openpgp/
    [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/-E8Yw6POxEE

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    …. hope this clears things up a bit ?

    Doris

  18. 18 Posted by Ryuujin on 11 Nov, 2019 01:38 PM

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    I solved with Mozilla Thunderbird.

    I keep Mail opened for filtering (I set many rules on Mail). And I use mozilla Thunderbird for writing and reading emails.

  19. Support Staff 19 Posted by Steve on 12 Nov, 2019 03:11 AM

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    Hi all,

    we wanted to get you up to date in regards to GPG Mail for macOS Catalina:

    GPG Suite 2019.2 is very close to being complete and ready for public release and here is Release Candidate 2 of GPG Suite 2019.2 including GPG Mail 4 which adds macOS 10.15 compatibility.

    Once GPG Suite 2019.2 is publically released, you will automatically be notified. Just make sure that update checks are enabled in System Preferences › GPG Suite.

    We are very sorry that this release took longer than we had anticipated.

    Kind regards,
    Steve

  20. 20 Posted by Marc Tarpenning on 12 Nov, 2019 03:31 AM

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    Yeah! Thanks, -marc

  21. 21 Posted by Hassenstein Ger... on 12 Nov, 2019 06:19 AM

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    Hi Steve,

    Thanks! For me it works great ’til now…

    -gerry

  22. 22 Posted by Arjen Hiemstra on 12 Nov, 2019 10:04 AM

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    Thanks Steve.

    This GPGTools Release Candidate 2 works for me.

    I'm happy to pay again for version 4, but I would be very grateful, if GPGTools would use the Mac OS beta program next time for a more timely release.

    =;-)

  23. 23 Posted by Lloyd Duke on 12 Nov, 2019 10:08 PM

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    Release Candidate 2 works for me.
    Thank you!

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