GPGMail Updates (web)
Hi All,
I have recently installed GPGMail 2.0a14 - which is a huge improvement in comparison to 2.0a4.
It would be very cool if you could convince Alex & Co. to upload and update the Alpha Releases more often... on the website it's still 2.0a4...
Thanks
Tobias
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Support Staff 1 Posted by Steve on 26 Dec, 2011 01:00 PM
We, and I think I can speak for the whole team are very well aware of this. We try to release minor updates as soon as possible and often are doing this. GPGMail is being worked on heavily. The reason we don't push it every week is that currently some things get rewritten all the time. Then they have to be tested again etc. So instead of releasing often and (maybe) breaking thing often as well, we try to provide somewhat stable alphas instead at the cost of not releasing every week - which also would be extremely time intensive and we are all doing this in our free time so that factor is a bit limited.
But since I agree, I created a ticket for GPGMail 2.0a19 to be put on our homepage :)
Support Staff 2 Posted by Steve on 26 Dec, 2011 01:01 PM
ticket created
Steve closed this discussion on 26 Dec, 2011 01:01 PM.
Alex re-opened this discussion on 26 Dec, 2011 10:19 PM
3 Posted by Alex on 26 Dec, 2011 10:19 PM
Added a19 to the web page, but we will not offer it via auto update. The next versions will (hopefully) get published more often ;)
Alex closed this discussion on 26 Dec, 2011 10:19 PM.
tobias re-opened this discussion on 26 Dec, 2011 10:48 PM
4 Posted by tobias on 26 Dec, 2011 10:48 PM
Hi Alex,
Thanks a lot. As I mentioned to steve in the earlier mail: I do very much appreciate what you're doing. It just would be cool if you could do something like "nightly" builds… without any support.
I totally agree that auto-update should only be run on stable releases.
BTW: a19… Really? a4 was deserving the "alpha"-Flag. a19 is - as far as I see it - pretty much beta or even RC-candidate…
It's stable, it doesn't crash Apple Mail any more, it doesn't hang Apple Mail… Come on… Most other software shipped by a tiny little company in redmond would be SP1 at that stage ;-)
Tobias
5 Posted by tobias on 26 Dec, 2011 10:49 PM
Hi Steve,
First of all: Thanks for your fast reply.
I totally agree with you that alpha software shouldn't be pushed every day. And I personally really appreciate the effort you and all the other guys are taking. I would just love to have the possibility to download "nightly" builds to test them myself.
I totally agree that support should not be given on nightly builds because that won't help anyone and would be consuming much more time…
I do not participate on the mailinglist because I too have very little resources and by knowing what it means to manage a very large mailing list I (for the moment) hesitate whether I should add my address or not…
I can't contribute too much since I'm no developer. At least I'm not that kind of developer you'd like to work with…. :-)
Tobias
Support Staff 6 Posted by Luke Le on 27 Dec, 2011 01:06 AM
Hi Tobias!
Thanks for all the kind words!
There are still a few important features missing for the beta release, in a19
especially the actual strings for error messages, but we wanted to release it
because it fixes a lot of issues the a4 was still suffering from.
Once the beta is out changes to the core of the code will be very small and we'll be able to start nightlys (even though we still have to find a server which will generate them or do it ourselves once a day), but it might not make too much sense since due to lack of time work on GPGMail is happening mostly in blocks rather than little fixes every day.
We always welcome suggestions of any nature so feel free to tell us whatever bugs you or what you'd do the enhance the user experience even more!
Support Staff 7 Posted by Steve on 27 Dec, 2011 03:08 PM
Tobias, thanks for your feedback. It's appreciated!
First, maybe you want to subscribe to the devel mailing list? It's not that much traffic and since you seem to use apple mail you can always work with mail rules and move everything related to that list in a specific folder so it doesn't interfere or bother with your other work/private mail. That is the best place to get notice of early alpha builds. nighlies as Luke pointed out don't really make that much sense. It might happen that 2 weeks nothing happens and then sth is being worked on from 3 people at the same time.
Next: why wouldn't we want to work with you? ;) If you want to contribute just go ahead. We'll be happy to offer all the help you need getting into this and I'm sure we could find a nice little task to start with also if you want, why not have a look at the ticket system and see if there is something that fits your abilities and that you'd like to have a look at.
If that's not cool we can always need help improving the wiki documentation or screencasts ect ect pp pp and so on :)
So if you are interested drop us a line.
Enjoy your holidays,
steve
Steve closed this discussion on 27 Dec, 2011 03:08 PM.
tobias re-opened this discussion on 27 Dec, 2011 06:07 PM
8 Posted by tobias on 27 Dec, 2011 06:07 PM
Hi Steve,
Apple-Mail-Rules? Nope. Procmail :-)
I could provide you with the following:
1st) Test-experience: I'm using Mac OS X for leisure as for work - and apple mail is one of the mail readers I do use daily.
2nd) Mirror-Site: I run a lab at home having 14tb net disk space… and I still have some left.
The webserver is backed by a reverse proxy sitting at a gbit link - so this could be a very fast mirror… :-)
3rd) Wiki, docu - yes, but… I'm quite busy with work and helping a friend (and helping my wife… junior will come in half a year :-) )
but… why not?
I have already subscribed to the devel mailinglist…
Tobias
9 Posted by Eddie on 28 Dec, 2011 03:00 AM
Hi, this may seem like a dumb question, but how does one discover which version of GPGMail is installed and in use? I have a MacBook Air running Lion 10.7.2 with Apple Mail version 5.1 (1251/1251.1) and with GPGTools version 20111224 installed. I'm only able to sign a new email message when using Apple Mail (the lock icon is always ghosted out). Thank you for your efforts, its sad that Apple makes life so difficult for developers to add extras to Mail (at least with Safari its possible to develop extensions). btw, I used to use a NeXT Cube and way back in the day there was a developer who created a PGP plugin for NeXTMail and my guess is that Apple Mail is a derivative of NeXTMail.
10 Posted by Alex on 28 Dec, 2011 07:26 AM
Hi,
Mail.app > Preferences > GPGMail. On the left side you see the version. Just click on "Check Now" - this should install the latest version (a21).
Best regards, Alex
Support Staff 11 Posted by Steve on 28 Dec, 2011 12:37 PM
Hi all.
@Eddie: pls don't hijack other threads ;) Next time just create a new one. Else it's somewhat difficult to keep track of the topic.
@Tobias: Sry, I don't know procmail at all. Thought you were an apple mail user since you run our tools. Or are you using encryption with procmail?
Not sure if we need a mirror site. I brought this up in an internal discussion. For now: thanks for this kind offer.
I'll mail you for the documentation thingy :)
Steve closed this discussion on 28 Dec, 2011 12:37 PM.
tobias re-opened this discussion on 28 Dec, 2011 12:46 PM
12 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 12:46 PM
Hi Steve,
I run a lab@home providing mail, webspace, etc. for about 450 people. privateers, open-source-people are for free, some people with special needs (development network with windows servers) have to pay...
One of my customers is feeding in about 40'000 mails per day containing SLA-Measurement-Data.
Procmail is a unix mail mangling engine... so I sort mails directly on the server :-)
This way I don't have to first download all mails in the client and then let the client sort them - i let my server sort the messages upon arrival :-)
I do have a os x server and all workstations @home are macs (including the machine of my wife). I'm one of those apple customers where the 5-machine-limitation is a limitation for real... at current i have an imac, 3 mac minis, a MBP13 (business), a MBA11 sitting on my desk :-)
Tobias
Support Staff 13 Posted by Steve on 28 Dec, 2011 01:07 PM
I wanna visit your home :P
Steve closed this discussion on 28 Dec, 2011 01:07 PM.
tobias re-opened this discussion on 28 Dec, 2011 01:09 PM
14 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 01:09 PM
feel free :-)
15 Posted by Alex on 28 Dec, 2011 01:10 PM
I would love to have a GPGTools build server on this machine (Buildbot)
16 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 01:15 PM
Hi Alex,
You can choose between the following:
- Mac Mini Server, 4GB Memory
- Mac Pro Server, 2GB Memory (but has a Xeon CPU).
The mac pro would be uniquely for you, the mac mini server is my calendaring-server :-9
Your choice :-)
Tobias
Support Staff 17 Posted by Luke Le on 28 Dec, 2011 03:40 PM
Wow, that'd be pretty swell! Also a way to build nightlies.
Are you running os x 10.6? Then we could compile for ppc as well.
Thank you very much already
18 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 03:41 PM
Hi Alex,
I have just loaded the Mac Pro Server into the trunk of my car - I think I will install the machine during tomorrow and give you the credentials for it...
Tobias
19 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 03:44 PM
Hi Luke,
The Mac Mini Server (unfortunately, I have to say) is running 10.7.3 Beta.
But I will set up the Mac Pro as 10.6 Server machine - so you can do whatever you want to do with it ;-)
Tobias
P.S: Thanks also goes to Marc Mueller for providing the Hardware (well, otherwise it's just stored in my basement and sits there doing nothing :-) )
20 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 03:44 PM
Hi Luke, Again
Marc just told me that he'd also could provide a powermac G5....
Tobias
Support Staff 21 Posted by Luke Le on 28 Dec, 2011 03:55 PM
Man this is fantastic! could we also get some kind of vnc on it?
Would help for testing the ppc builds :)
Thank you so very much!
Support Staff 22 Posted by Luke Le on 28 Dec, 2011 03:58 PM
Also, give our best to Marc too!
23 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 04:00 PM
Sure...
But I'd suggest you'd take the apple remote desktop app - is a bit faster :-)
Tobias
24 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 08:15 PM
I will :-)
Sent from my iPhone
25 Posted by Alex on 28 Dec, 2011 08:39 PM
My goal is to have build.gpgtools.org a bit similar to http://build.chromium.org ...
Support Staff 26 Posted by Luke Le on 28 Dec, 2011 10:02 PM
Looks nasty but also very informative :)
27 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 10:17 PM
Hi Alex,
I will set up the system tomorrow - by end of tomorrow (I live in switzerland) you will have:
- A working OS X 10.6 Server
- A working Account
- Root Rights
- VPN, SSH and VNC Access
and
- I will set up the reverse proxy I have on a GBIT Interface somewhere in the dark of the internet so that you can provide download-links directly to the server system.
The machine itself is sponsored by compination, Hosting Facility is sponsered by me.
OK?
Tobias
28 Posted by tobias on 28 Dec, 2011 10:21 PM
What do you mean by "nasty"? :-)
Tobias
Support Staff 29 Posted by Luke Le on 28 Dec, 2011 10:23 PM
Completely bloated interface which is confusing to me :D, but I'm pretty sure it's useful.
The setup is seriously fantastic. Could you install TeamViewer along with the VNC? I've been using it a lot lately and it works like a charm
30 Posted by tobias on 29 Dec, 2011 02:03 AM
Hi Alex,
Can you contact me off-list so I can provide you with the necessary details for accessing the server?
tobias <at> scnr <dot> ch
… I love google - but not that much :-)
Tobias
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Alex closed this discussion on 29 Dec, 2011 10:20 AM.