Steve on 23 Aug, 2017 10:26 AM
Hi Mark and Stefan,
the first beta of macOS 10.13 High Sierra has been released by Apple in early June. GPGMail will be disabled upon upgrade. We're already looking into the internal changes.
This KB-article has details as to why GPGMail becomes disabled after major macOS updates.
For any productive work and if you rely on using GPGMail, you should refrain from updating to the pre-release version of macOS. At this time we cannot say, when a first test version for macOS 10.13 High Sierra will be available.
as High Sierra is announced to be released in less than two weeks now, is there any idea of a timeline which components of GPGTools will work and which not? And as GPGMall will most probably not work: Any plans on when a first Beta could be available?
Maybe some "official" statement would be helpful now.
I can only support Gerd. Come on guys, if you want this project to live you should think about the fact that even for macOS Sierra, there was NEVER a stable release of GPGtools - and that is now a deprecated OS. I would be very interested in where the problems are that it is so hard to release GPGtools closer to macOS releases.
The only guys who can have an interest in that is the NSA who hate encrypted mail. No other way than to continue using Thunderbird with Enigmail. They at least work reliable.
on 21 Sep, 2017 03:40 PM
I actually think that if the GPGTools team can not provide the time / support those great tools provide, they should open-source onto Github for transparency and greater community involvement.
I am honestly not sure why this was not done and why there is no public code-repository or issue tracker.
I am sure that all of us are more than happy to financially contribute to make this happen and support a dedicated development team (although I think by open-sourcing it, the community itself will make this happen without incurring huge costs).
I've been running the nightly builds on 10.12 for a long time now, and with perfectly acceptable results (for my needs) and have been logging issues as I've found them (not many).
The Mail applicaiton in 10.13 has been re-written and developing plugins for its undocumented API is a blackart. As GPTtools is free , I don't know why everyone's so pissy, I thiknk the guys are working hard on this.
If I do decide to upgrade to 10.13 on my produciton laptop, then I can still encrypt wtih GPG via the Apple services menu - it's not pretty, but ot works.
There is a difference between anecdotal "this works for me" and committed "we feel this is robust, have tested it, and are confident we can fix anything that goes wrong". As for logging issues as they have been found. Call me old fashioned, I learnt my Software Engineering craft in the early 90's in an Operating System Group.
The approach in essence, was.
Develop new release features, put them out to a Test base, fix all bugs until the recurrence became zero, and then ship.
I get the unnerving feeling that GPGTools team, hasn't established that basic release management protocol. As Gerd pointed out, public issue tracking, and code repositories are a step towards this, and if nothing else, they make the processes of engineering the product more transparent, and as such open to a) input and b) acceptance as to their efficacy.
As for the re-write of the Mail App. I may be stating the blatantly obvious, but Jon Callas, one of the founders of PGP, joined Apple (again) to work on Security and Encryption in May 2016 - if anyone can beat the drum on getting access to (or arguing the case for access to) API's or code-bases in order to advance this project, he would be a starting point.
Anecdotal? Patronising much? I've tested every nightly release on Sierra for a good while now thank you. I don't have to furnish my credentials to you, but would simply say that this project is SUPER IMPORTANT for many of us, and if there's ANY opportunity to influence Apple insiders to make update transitions easier, then that would be fantastic and should absolutely be exploited as an avenue to progress.
What I won't do however, is to rail on a team of great guys trying to deliver a free solution to its community. I'm pretty sure their efforts aren't paying off their mortgages.
on 23 Sep, 2017 04:41 PM
I just upgraded to Sierra and discovered that GPG doesn't work. Is this being actively worked on? I really appreciate the work that you have done. Are there any other mail apps for Mac that it will work with?
Luke Le on 25 Sep, 2017 04:06 PM
we apologize for not responding sooner. We were very busy getting the next release of GPG Suite ready, which we have just released.
GPG Suite 2017.1 finally includes the stable version of GPGMail for macOS Sierra and a first beta for macOS High Sierra. So if you install this update and plan to upgrade today, GPGMail will just continue working. For known issues, please see the release notes on https://gpgtools.org/releases/gpgsuite/2017.1/release-notes.html
All of GPG Suite has been open sourced under the GPL License on Github since 2010: https://github.com/GPGTools
On our "Open Source" page you will also find all relevant links to the specific repositories of each tool included in GPG Suite, as well as the links to our bug tracker. https://gpgtools.org/opensource
As some of you have mentioned, GPGMail is developed by reverse-engineering any relevant parts of Mail which are necessary to hook into to add our functionality, which also means that if we start with the first beta of a new OS, we might have to do a lot of the work over and over again. Since in contrast to apps that are writte for macOS, there's no API for Mail and it can (and will) change, whenever Apple decides to with no regard at all to plugin developers.